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  • Hi, you're active on imfdb, so I figured I'd post this here in case it was of any interest. In the 1962 film Hell Is For Heroes, Steve McQueen uses an M3 with three mags taped together - turns out this is based on an actual setup that was devised during WW2. Not sure if it's notable enough but there you go.

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  • Hi Tim. Can you elaborate more on what exactly Category:Manual rapid-fire guns defines? There has been some controversy on whether or not it is a legit weapon category on the discord. I don't see any sources out there that define such a class of weapons either.

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    • Guns featuring fast manually operated mechanical loading, ie guns that are like machine guns but are not machine guns. So your crank guns and the like.

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  • It is absolutely worth mentioning that full-caliber rifles were referred to as "assault rifles" before relatively recently, and I feel that to pretend otherwise is slightly disingenuous. Practically every book I've read on the subject that was published before about the year 2000 refers to full-caliber rifles as ARs; there may have been a few exceptions earlier on, but the general consensus among experts was that guns like the G3 and FAL were assault rifles.

    The recent insistence that ARs must be chambered for intermediate calibers pretty much stemmed entirely from the US Army's change of definition that came around after the standardization of 5.56 NATO and this definition was not initially universally accepted, and is still not universally accepted in totality - many authors still accept full-caliber rifles as assault rifles, or consider battle rifles to be a subcategory of assault rifles. Outside of the internet, the term "battle rifle" is, at least as far as I've read, not actually used very prominently. I'm still picking up recent publications that don't make such a distinction. On top of that, I'm not aware that most military forces outside the US actually make a point of the distinction either.

    I'm willing to accept that many people make the distinction between battle rifles and assault rifles now, but it should be made clear to the reader that this wasn't, and in some cases still isn't, the case.

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    • Anyway, I think it's best that sources are cited on the page itself, otherwise this is in danger of just turning into an endless debate.

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    • That might be hard, actually...do any of your sources not only use the term that way, but also assert that is the correct way to use it? Otherwise we get into that Wikipedia thing where you have something that's obviously wrong followed by ten cites of people doing that thing wrong.

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  • Not to sound like I'm challenging your claims or anything, but where did you learn most of your firearm knowledge? You seem quite knowledgeable on things like anti-tank weapons and machine guns.

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    • This is mostly the research I did for IMFDB gun pages using my tenure at the University of Google. :D

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    • Its funny that you say that, because I legitimately work for a movie prop company and with all sorts of replica firearms and blank firing guns on a daily basis. Not relevant, and replying to an old comment, but figured I would share :D

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  • Hey man, considering that this thing needs to be settled, do you have any idea if the weapon was truly referred to as pistolet-mitrailleur at the time, or is it just an attribution given to it much later?

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    • Don't worry about it, I haven't removed the point from the page or anything, but I'm just saying instead of writing "according to some sources", it'd be more helpful if you actually cited the source you're talking about

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    • Yeah I understand, I was just checking if that labeling was indeed official or not. But then again, Huon does state that the term appeared alongside that weapon, so I guess we'll leave the page as it is.

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